New Rules on the Glog

Thanks to “Tom” who behaved like a total prat, even when I gave him a second chance…..I’ve been forced to do 2 things to the glog.

 1. I now enforce registration…so some of you who have been posting freely now need to register first.

2. Your first post has to be moderated, after that you can post freely….some of you have been wondering why your post doesn’t pop up automatically…that is why. 

 

BTW, I have only “moderated” a few posts….most came from “Tom” using different aliases and one because someone included their email address….so I sent them email instead :-)

90 Responses to “New Rules on the Glog”

  1. GMmarine Says:

    Great, I like rules, most because I can abide(I think thats the right word) to them easily. Rules,:O.

  2. Xxypher Says:

    well i guess its only fair
    but now its boring having conversations because nothing shows up

  3. elmernite Says:

    I don’t mind the rules at all. Now I know no one can still my name like what happen to FredFredrickson.
    btw, How long will this glog continue once the site is released?
    -Elmernite

  4. Benjamin Says:

    Well thanks a lot, Tom. You have cost YoYo Games a whole lot of work and 3 posts on the Glog. Nice goin’, kid.

  5. Takagi Says:

    That sucks. This is worse than the GMC.

  6. Cynical Says:

    Then leave. It’s pointless to have an open blog when some people are going to be immature and ruin conversations that are undoubtedly helpful to Sandy and other people who are trying to help us out.

  7. saphiro Says:

    sorry sandy, but i emailed yesterday to admin@yoygames.com my paypal confirmation of the key purchase as u suggested and i still have no key :(

  8. GMmarine Says:

    Takagi, if it sucks so much, leave. Don’t post here anymore, if your going to be so negative.

  9. Chronic Says:

    “2. Your first post has to be moderated, after that you can post freely”

    Does this mean that the first post in every topic will be moderated? or only the first post since the rule change?

  10. sandy Says:

    Chronic…it’s just your first post, not by topic,then you’re free from censorship :-)
    Saphiro..I’ll go check the admin email for you.
    Elmernite…I have no specific plans for thsi glog. I started using it because I felt like I was “intruding” on the GMC forum…I’d really like to have something like this as part of YYG…funny thing is it’s as much a forum as a blog ….

  11. Daniel-Dane Says:

    To expand Chronics question; or does that only count for new users from now on?

    I like the rules. Poor guy him “Tom”, he has no life :(.

  12. Daniel-Dane Says:

    Nvm, I see it’s the first post since the rule was inforced…

  13. elmernite Says:

    Yeah, I hope it is kept. I really like it. It helps keep YoYo games a little more personal.
    -Elmernite

  14. sandy Says:

    Daniel_Dane…you’ve got is sussed :-)

  15. sandy Says:

    BTW - Tagaki…I was forced to do this..I don’t know the GMC that well, but I would expect anyone who did what Tom was doing…stealing an identity…would be blocked from any website/forum/blog..even in my past (working for the dark lords of the evil empire)…sending an email from someone else’s account was instant dismissal….it was enough to chuck your career down the toilet, never mind the chance to post freely on a blog ….

  16. Daniel-Dane Says:

    Who is Daniel_Dane? And what did you mean BTW? Why are you always after me?

  17. sandy Says:

    Saphiro…I can’t find any email from you at admin@yoyogames using the email address you’ve used to register on the glog ?

  18. sandy Says:

    Ah daniel-dane….got it wrong…and no, I’m not after you, quite the opposite, I enjot reading your posts !

  19. sandy Says:

    I mean ENJOY…..

  20. Camman Says:

    Thats better. Now that C.Portal or whoever will stop…

  21. saphiro Says:

    lol, i found the problem….

    Sandy said -> “saphiro….have you sent mail to admin@yoygames.com ?”

    email was wrong and i didnt checked the spelling of it is our fault, yours and mine =D

    anyways, resent to the correct email =)

  22. ChIkEn Says:

    Uhh, k.

    Yesterday you told me to Email u and you would respond on sunday (today)… …and i still haven’t gotten a reply… plz check ur email

  23. GMmarine Says:

    Just wait, and be patience.

  24. 2Percent Milk Says:

    Gee, thanks, Tom! You have just made me replace my % sign with ‘percent’! My username is now RUINED!!! >:-(
    Anywho, Daniel Dane: “I like the rules. Poor guy him “Tom”, he has no life :( .”
    Yeah… ;)

  25. sandy Says:

    ChIkEn … I can’t find mail from you anywhere that is using the email address you registered here with…maybe I threw you the same curve ball that I gave Shapiro with the mis-typed email address… should have read admin@yoyogames.com ??

  26. bballer Says:

    When will you guys update your database with the most recent GMC email adresses? I already sent an email to support@yoyogames.com on 2/28/07, but have yet to receive a reply about it. I want to keep my GMC name, but at the same time I’m anxious to download and use GM7. I’m thinking of just creating a temporary account while I continue to wait for you guys.

  27. Morgan Ramsay Says:

    You have just made me replace my % sign with ‘percent’! My username is now RUINED!

    You can modify the display of your user name.

  28. SenakuJin Says:

    Well its a little disapointing to log in, but its not much of a change. At the very least it will hopefully discourage the GM bashers now that they have to register to do so.. but for some reason i still doubt it. Good luck with YoYoGames, i hope to hear more updates on whats going on with the site soon. (even if their minor.. good tease will at least keep my attention)

  29. Joerdgs Says:

    You guys sure have trouble handling this community. I hope it gets better soon.

  30. Chronic Says:

    Its nothing to do with YoYo Games handling the community. Its the ridiculous behavior of the people which is the problem. Sure, there is “cause and effect” at play here, but its no excuse. The cause being some teething problems of building an entire new mechanism, site and forum.

    Do not blame YoYo Games for the behavior of others.

  31. tyranic-moron Says:

    I received the e-mail, but it just told me to enter my purchase reference… This didn’t work the first time, and I’ve already tried entering it too many times, so it won’t let me try again now. I even explained about that in the e-mail…

  32. sandy Says:

    tyranic-moron….sophie will sort this out.

  33. Bucky24 Says:

    Sweet! Now we don’t have to type in “9 + 0″ anymore!
    I have a question regarding your key registration process:
    I registered once (or at least tried to) with the game maker 6 key that I bought when I lost the first one I had. I had to fill out that form saying when I bought it and all that. Then I tried my game maker 5 key, with the same results. AFter scratching my head and screaming at my computer for a few hours, I finally found that little link on the yoyo games site that says “send me my key”. I used the key that came, adn got my game maker 7 key. A day later, three emails arrived from YoYo Games.

    So now I have three different game maker keys. I don’t mind so much, but it is an interesting problem you have with the site.

  34. 2% Milk Says:

    Ah, there we go… Thanks ‘Morgan Ramsay’ :)

  35. sandy Says:

    Bucky24….it’s like waiting for a bus in London…you stand there for 2 hours, then 3 come along all at once….Merry Xmas :-)

  36. b4ugames Says:

    I’ve sent mine in a couple days ago. One to admin@yoyogames.com and one to support@yoyogames.com. I haven’t received anything as well. I sent all the information from the E-Mail sent to me with the key, and the pay-pal receipt number as well. Please, if you could get to mine, that would be awesome. My E-Mail is the same as here, yoyogames website and GMC plus it’s the same one I purchased Gamemaker with.

    Thanks
    Steve

  37. sandy Says:

    b4ugames..check your email.

  38. sandy Says:

    b4ugames…btw it’s NOT the email you used to purchase game maker…even stevens ?

  39. b4ugames Says:

    Thanks, I got the E-Mail. That’s weird that you say it’s not the same. I still have the E-Mails sitting in that address. That’s the E-Mails that I sent in the E-mail to admin@yoyogames. I’m guessing someone must have changed it somehow.

    Thanks for fixing this for me.

  40. Hollowgenshine Says:

    I keep on getting a Hashcash error when posting.

  41. Hollowgenshine Says:

    Hello, I didn’t think the above message would get though.
    Well here are my problems:

    First, of all I can’t get my key, I get the “We are having problems processing your key” error

    Second, I didn’t get the email sent to the people having the upgrade problem.

    Third, 99% of the time I try to post on the Glog I get this error:

    WP-Hashcash Check Failed
    Your client has failed to compute the special javascript code required to comment on this blog. If you believe this to be in error, please contact the blog administrator, and check for javascript, validation, or php errors. It is also possible that you are trying to spam this blog.

    If you are using Google Web Accelerator, a proxy, or some other caching system, WP-Hashcash may not let you comment. There are known issues with caching that are fundamentally insoluble, because the page being written to you must be generated freshly. Turn off your caching software and reload the page. If you are using a proxy, commenting should work, but it is untested.

    You have previously failed the check 4 times.

    Your POST variables are: Array ( [comment] => stupid hashcash [submit] => Submit Comment [comment_post_ID] => 30 [hashcash_value] => 2052577082 )

    This comment has been logged, and will not be displayed on the blog.

  42. sandy Says:

    Hollowgenshine ….michaelb was getting a similar error, but I think it went away…Michael, em haven’t seen a post from you in a few days :-(

    Your latest 2 posts have shown up …. ??

    Did you have a key you paid for….if you did pay I’lll guarantee you get a new GM 7 key tomorrow (Tuesday) , so send details to admin@yoyogames.com. Anything you have, especially your GM6 key would be useful…

    ..we had almost 500 people try to use the same GM6 key to upgrade…:-( which is sad …

  43. Michael Brinkley Says:

    sandy and Hollowgenshine - I am still around. I just haven’t had a need to post. That error still shows up for me from time to time. When it does, I am pretty much screwed for the rest of the day. If I try to post the following day it seems to work.

    So, I haven’t found anything yet that would explain why it is happening.

  44. Takagi Says:

    “Then leave. It’s pointless to have an open blog when some people are going to be immature and ruin conversations that are undoubtedly helpful to Sandy and other people who are trying to help us out. ”

    “Takagi, if it sucks so much, leave. Don’t post here anymore, if your going to be so negative.”

    When I said “That sucks. This is worse than the GMC”, I meant this to be “the attempts against this Glog”.

    Meh, a simple misunderstanding really.

  45. Michael Brinkley Says:

    sandy - I am in the process of recreating my personal web site. I would like to put a link to YoYo Games on the site. Are there any graphics availble yet that I can use?

    Thanks,
    Michael

  46. Michael Brinkley Says:

    Takagi - That makes sense. I am glad to see that our missunderstanding didn’t drive you away. You are right. It does suck that people are so abusive that moderated forms and forced logins are required.

  47. Kururu Says:

    So… I guess this is my first post “here”. I don’t really like modded posts. Oh well!

  48. sn0wb0arder381 Says:

    I wish I was here, would of been funny :D(still pissed for various GM reasons)

  49. Greg24 Says:

    Just would like to add my opinion about this.

    I am a strong supporter of free speech as long as you don’t attack someone’s personal name, what they do outside the internet or use references to real people or impersonate them. It is a shame that a blog like this has to be censored - Sandy why can’t you just ban IPs ? Also being against censorship I think comments good or bad are part of a blog, blogs should NOT be censored. As to identity theft, this is VERY serious, particularly when REAL names are involved. That would warrant a complaint to his ISP - but you shouldn’t punish everyone for that !:D

    2) At first I thought that YoYo was a bad idea myself and have spoken against GM7’s delay myself, BUT now somehow I realised that maybe YoYo is a good thing - the GMC forum has become a total MESS - It is full of kids who release pretty aweful games and pranks - screamer pranks are a trend now it seems…..Not to mention the excessive mod power tripping on the GMC and excessive closure of threads…I do hope that YoYo will be more careful as to the choice of its moderators and admins. Seeing that the GMC is going down the toilet, and Mark’s lack of time and inability to further improve GM, I do hope that YoYo can take over and make things better!

    Sandy - I am the one who spoke against DRM from the start - I am very SHOCKED and angry when I read the news that over 500 people attempted to register the same key! Are you serious ? That’s $10,000 ! :D WHo is STUPID enough to attempt to use an illegal key with an ONLINE activation method. Goes to show that it’s mostly kids who use this program - I would like to see GM target more mature and adult members. I’m sorry to see that so many people would rip off Mark like that, but Sandy, I think that the recent DRM measures will only make it worse, I will not go into detail but I did my homework and it seems that some people have made it known that they wouldn’t hesitate in using other “measures”. DRM will not stop piracy in fact I have a strong suspicion that there are members within GMC themselves sharing keys and making those said key generators. There has been other softwrap DRM based programs that have been cracked - As to GM7 only a matter of days, weeks, before it happens. I have some ideas of my own as to how to limit piracy, they don’t involve DRM wrappers.

    Sorry for being skeptic about YoYo and for my negative comments towards GM7 on gamemaker.nl, I fully support your actions, and would have done the same thing when faced with identity theft problems.

    I want GOOD things for GM and seeing GMC’s forum is going down the proverbial toilet I hope you guys can “revive it”

    BTW, who is Sophie ? :)

  50. Greg24 Says:

    Oh BTW Sandy, do you have any release date plans for Game Maker 8? ;-))) Do share :D

  51. tyranic-moron Says:

    I got my new key, and it worked! Thanks for sorting that out, hope YoYo Games is successful for you.

  52. sandy Says:

    Michael…email me and I can send you graphics.

  53. Joerdgs Says:

    Sure am surprised (in a positive way) that you provide support via the glog comments. Funny :)

  54. Medusar Says:

    Funny that questions about upgrading are answered here. I`ll post mine here too.

    I wanted to use an other kind of paying method than the ones offered on the site. I got an email with intstructions, and I replyed to the emailadress it came from. That`s tomorrow a week ago. But that emailadress wasn`t admin@yoyogames.com.

    Do I have to resend the email to admin@yoyogames.com, or will I still receive an email from the other adress? (wich was sophie@yoyogames.com, if you want to know.)

  55. Daniel-Dane Says:

    Before I say anything; Morgan Ramsay, how do you do the quote thing?

    Oh I said something.

    EDIT:
    Oh, HTML doesn’t work :P.

  56. Daniel-Dane Says:

    Wait, it does!

  57. CJ Master Says:

    Hey, glad this is working for you guys. :)

    Too bad you had to force registration, but on the plus side there is no more math questions. :P

    ~CJ :)

  58. CJ Master Says:

    Wait… mod query is off? Cause that appeared as soon as I typed it…

    ~CJ :)

  59. elmernite Says:

    Yes, if you read his blog intirely he states it’s only for the users first post. After that you can post freely.
    I guess he goes on the basis that the crummy people couldn’t even get themselves together enough for one good post. :p (jk)
    -Elmernite

  60. Dr. Cakey Says:

    Goodie, all registered and ready to take over the gaming world…or a corner of it!

  61. Hollowgenshine Says:

    Thank you. I finally got my GM7 code!

  62. Hollowgenshine Says:

    Very Odd…

    I have an anti-porn filter placed on my computer.
    When I try to register, It kills the window for finding the F word.

    I turned it off and was able to register, but I would doubt that someone would write that on the page without someone noticing…

  63. tobo Says:

    Hi.

    People said to try here. tried everywhere else so, hey ho!

    Emailed Softwrap & Yoyo games but no reply.

    Registered 5 days ago now, but still refusing to run in anything but Lite.

    Any pointers?

  64. baziiboi Says:

    I agree with the rules.

  65. GMmarine Says:

    I don’t see any F words…

  66. sandy Says:

    Greg24, tobo etc…this is NOT meant to be a support GLOG..cos that would be a SLOG :-) …seriously Sophie is working her way through and is pretty much on top of the backlog now…

    …if I see a “cry for help” I try to do something as I have difficulty trawling though the GMC forums…once yoyogames.com goes into full beta I’ll try and re-deirct support to where it properly belongs…

    ..also greg24…”Tom” was the Glog userid used by the miscreant…since he publicly posted on the glog using this alias congratulating himself for being so “smart”, I feel I have his authority to continue to refer to him as “Tom” much in the same way as you are known publicly as “Greg24″

    Medusar…sophie is “admin@yoyogames.com”…I’ll make sure she’s carful about which address she uses in future as we don’t want to confuse you all…I’ll also check on the status of your problem with her.

  67. sandy Says:

    Hollowgenshine…I think you are probably blocking “session” cookies with the anti-porn filter :-)…see my new post.

  68. Blijbol Says:

    Hello.

    Six days ago I sent you an e-mail (admin@yoyogames.com) asking you to answer my questions at:
    http://forums.gamemaker.nl/index.php?showtopic=279330&st=0&p=1940878&#entry1940878
    Would you please send me the answers per e-mail?

    Thanks in advance.

  69. Greg24 Says:

    So Sandy you avoided my question in my initial post - When’s GameMaker 8 coming out ? :)

    …. Just kidding of course :D

    I have a quick question for you in regards to Softwrap DRM /Activation. Are compiled EXE games embedded with user e-mail and registration key ? I like the idea of anonymity and using nicknames online as I had a lot of trouble in the past with prank calls, etc… especially with this type of community. So my question is, if I register but use my real name and primary e-mail, can somebody hack that information from my compiled games and extract my key used and e-mail ? It would be a major scandal if the EXE contained such info! :D

  70. Michael Brinkley Says:

    Greg24 - I know that you asked sandy this, not me. And I am not an expert to be sure. But, from what I undersand about Softwrap, it in no way is part of GM7 itself. In other words, it has nothing to do with the acutal workings of the application, only the use of it. It is mearly an outer shell that GM7 resides in. If you shrink wrap a CD in plastic, then take it out of that plastic, your music does not make a plastic crinkling sound when you play it your CD :)

    Yes, I know that I am being rather silly, but I feel I am not doing a very good job of putting my thoughts into words right now. :)

  71. Greg24 Says:

    Wow - that was a quick reply - They should hire you :D

    Yes I do know what Softwrap DRM is and I know it is not PART of the GM itself, it wraps it and sends flag information to the main program telling it to run in lite mode or pro mode.

    That wasn’t my question :) My question is related to activation. Each person has a registration key - If I were to publish my games, could a hacker or anybody look in my EXE and find my e-mail, real name and serial key, embedded WITH my games ? I would really not want that to be the case - I am not comfortable knowing that my key and e-mail could possibly be embedded in the EXE - Personally I would think it is not the case, but I want to make sure as I heard of another software that did that (clumsy coding :D)

    Someone mentioned hardware dongles - Might want to consider retina scans too :)

  72. Michael Brinkley Says:

    Gods - I hate hardware dongles. I had to use one when I was developing GUI on an as400 with JWalk. I personally think they are a horrid waste of time. Now…retina scans on the other hand…….:)

    But then again, we have to wait for Microsoft to do that before anyone else does. We wouldn’t want to piss off the true rulers of the cyberspace now would we?

  73. Greg24 Says:

    I don’t know why there is so much problems with GM7’s activation that some people are experiencing - I have had to activate quite a few software, some using Softwrap DRM and I never had issues and it’s strange because if i’m not mistaken the authentication part is handled by Softwrap and not by yoyo - So could the problems be a compatibility issue with some configuration, IE settings, Vista ? who knows.

    I see a lot of mad people on the forum and someone even mentioned that the program was cracked already - And Sandy mentioned 500 attempts to register a bad key?samekey? Sad indeed, but it goes to show you that the DRM thing does not stop piracy in fact I would not be surprised that people who paid for it and can’t get it to work will use other “measures” :)

    BTW, I read an article on a site, I think it was Guru3d, that Windows Vista was FULLY CRACKED, that after reading an article about HD-DVD and BluRay being hacked and that soon you will see fully automated backup tool as well……..They did that with Windows Genuine advantage, with DRM, with VISTA, with XP, and the list goes on. People are complaining about internet based activation it is SILLY to complain about that - If GM is to have phone based activation then you have to hire some staff and so will the price of your software, then people will complain about paying $50 :D

    The software should have been tested more before being released, I would have gladly (and others) volounteered freely to test it out and help out. I hope it gets sorted out and that hopefully it won’t affect yoyogames any further - When you have some members on NL saying that they have found fully cracked versions of GM7 already that is NOT good at all….it’s embarassing even, I know that if I was Mark I would be embarassed too :)

  74. Michael Brinkley Says:

    I’m not too surprised at the number of cracked versions that are out there. That happens with every software that anybody wants. I remember when the music industry created a copy protection that could never be cracked. Within 45 minutes of the first CD sold there was information on the internet about how to get around it….and all it took was a sharpy and a steady hand.

    As far as Softwrap goes, I am planning on using it for my own applications. But the reason I am going to use it is not for protection against piracy, but for registration options. If I go with them, they handle all financial aspects of registering my software. People pay them and then they pay me. They charge a commision that is less than 20%, so for me it is well worth the charge.

    If people want to steal my software, let them. I really don’t care that much. There will be plenty of honest people out there that will be willing to pay me for what they use.

  75. sandy Says:

    Nobody here is losing sleep over the cracked version. MOST of the people who want to download, buy or upgrade to GM7 can now do it and yes, we made a few mistakes and yes, we have a few things still to fix and yes, we have a backlog of mails that we’re getting through…..and yes, we have a great new website to test and launch :-)

  76. Andy Says:

    To bad there are users that just cant control themselves. Oh well no different that the real world I suppose.

  77. T-Bird Says:

    Might as well get my first post out of the way incase I feel like posting between now and the death of the blog when YoYoWeb is officially launched

  78. Greg24 Says:

    Sandy, you are avoiding my question again ;-)))

    Is the registration key & name/address, personal info embedded in the compiled game EXE you distribute ?

    Example if my key is: 5588844 and my name is President Logan :), will this info be stored in my compiled games and accessible to hackers ?

  79. bendodge Says:

    I’m so glad I have my username…
    And yes, please answer Greg24’s question.

    Also, why does the EULA require me to advertise for YYG in my games, as well as force me to have my own EULA that prohibits users from trying to crack the game?

  80. Greg24 Says:

    I don’t even recall reading about this - If it’s true then it very unfair - we pay the price for a Pro version we should not have any limits - After all GM was free of any royalty fees or advertising, why should it be different for version 7 ? I doubt that Mark would approve this, maybe you mis-read your EULA, read it again carefuly please :) Maybe it concerns Lite version.

    There is NO WAY I would want my customers to know what software I used to make my games, I don’t mind advertising YoYogames if I had a website but not inside my bloody games ;-)

  81. Daniel-Dane Says:

    Do you want them to crack the game? If so, lol…

    I don’t mind including one, but it makes us look less professional :P.

  82. Greg24 Says:

    I agree 100%. I have nothing against putting some agreements in my sold for profit games, like all sharewares sold today, but choose different wording, like the fact you cannot modify the program, but the term CRACK, HACK, etc… I dunno, sounds childish and in fact it may be an incentive to encourage hackers (they WILL crack your game anyways, no avoiding that :D) but don’t give them the idea :D
    They cracked VISTA and Windows XP, and DRM, you don’t think they can crack your poor little GM game :)
    I pay $20 to buy the program, why should advertise for Yoyo, you will have to pay me commissions, :D :D :D

  83. sandy Says:

    Greg24 - your .exe won’t have anything in it from the DRM. I’m not fully aware of any changes Mark may have made to GM7 that woudl do this.

    Re EULA - There will be a sample EULA on the website. We need to protect the GM IP properly and so there are a few conditions such as not reverse engineering the “GM7 runner that we would like you to emphasise…I’m remiss in not getting this done, but it will be there when the website goes into public beta which I hope will be ……soon. I will do my best to miinimise any reference to YoYo Games in the sample EULA.

  84. Greg24 Says:

    Sandy, there is another thing you and Mark might want to look into - On the 64digits website there seems to be talk about GM7 being hacked and about a GM5/6/7 decompiler going about - They openly talk about it on their blog - There needs to be some serious measures to protect game developers as well, if a decompiler is openly available for everyone to steal resources and decompile your games that is a major disaster waiting to happen, especially for those who want to profit from their games.

    It’s amazing that somehow GM7 has a decompiler in such a short period of time considering the GM7 exe was said to be encrypted, well it was, but either there is some inside info being leaked or some really smart kids here :D

  85. Michael Brinkley Says:

    == This is a test ==
    *This is a test to see if the GLOG supports wiki
    *I could have just asked
    *But this is more fun

  86. Michael Brinkley Says:

    And the answer is no. It does not support wiki

  87. Daniel-Dane Says:

    This is a test
    This is a test to see how many HTML command this GLOG supports
    I could just have asked
    But this is more fun
    Much more fun
    Much, much more fun

    Sorry, Michael. But why would a blog support wiki xD.

  88. Daniel-Dane Says:

    And the answer is partly. Only the a (anchor), b, i and u commands are supported.

  89. Daniel-Dane Says:

    Wait! Underlines are not supported…

  90. Kristian Says:

    The only big problem is that somebody could make one decent post, then act like a big massive jerk after that, spamming everything and being an idiot. (nod of the head towards the screenshot topic) Unless I didn’t get the reason why this rule was put in place…

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