It’s been a bit quiet……NOT !
Firstly - I’m REALLY sorry …it must look like we have all disappeared for the last few days……the fact is there has been a LOT happening and we’ve been working hard getting the site developed and all of the associated work done.
The GOOD NEWS …we have a couple of major milestones to hit this week, but by Friday night (GMT), 23rd February we’ll be able to tell you the date for the GM7 launch and the first release of the YoYoGames Website.
Sandy
February 19th, 2007 at 07:34 pm
Thanks for the update, I’ve been waiting for a while, and it’s good to finally have a release date. Can’t wait!
February 19th, 2007 at 07:50 pm
Oh noes…first we got the “GM7 will come out with YoYo games…and GM7 will come on february 20″ message…now we get a “on 23 we will TELL you wen you will get it”
Why dont we get a clear answer? T~T
I’ll be happy to see the site…but…I care about GM7 more….the beta has expired and cant be used any longer….and..GM7 is done, mark told us so…now…we just dont get GM7 cause yoyo games takes very long to launch…
damn…
good luck anyway
February 19th, 2007 at 08:08 pm
they should just launch gm7
and put up the upgrade page
February 19th, 2007 at 08:23 pm
I would just like to see the release of Version 7. I have upgraded to windows vista and its stopped progress on my game. Please hurry!
February 19th, 2007 at 08:28 pm
I am happy to have an update just to let me know that you guys aren’t dead… I hope all goes well for everyone at YoYo Games! God Bless…
February 19th, 2007 at 08:49 pm
I’m sort of neutral (not taking either side) on this issue, but it seems this is beginning to frustrate more than just a few people. (This is not my opinion, just a general impression of others)
I understand the fact of how large of a job this is, but perhaps it would have been better if Mark could have kept the old registration system, released GM7 (which is already finished), and then a simple update later, when the Yoyo site is finished.
Nevertheless, good luck to everyone at Yoyo
February 19th, 2007 at 09:20 pm
I must agree that keeping the old registration system would have been a fantastic idea. And I am talking about registing the program, not registering for the forums.
February 19th, 2007 at 09:54 pm
Good news!! Its good to see that will launch GM7 for Vista I got it but could install.
February 19th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Take your time guys, and make a great GM and a super site. Best wishes!
February 20th, 2007 at 12:17 am
Building a new site isn’t an exact science so you take all the time you need for a smooth launch
February 20th, 2007 at 12:39 am
“I would just like to see the release of Version 7. I have upgraded to windows vista and its stopped progress on my game. Please hurry!”
Why do you feel the need to insist on placing blame of something that’s your fault on other people?
Anyways, it’s nice to hear this news!
February 20th, 2007 at 12:44 am
Heh, can’t wait to see the new site, and hear the release date! Tkae your time people, rushing things just overall ruins things….
February 20th, 2007 at 01:50 am
That is really great news to hear, keep up the good work guys!
February 20th, 2007 at 02:07 am
I can wait for GM 7 seeing as I still use 5. I hope its a good improvement from 6, because I didn’t like 6 that much. However I would rather have a solid site for the new GM community, instead of rushing the release, and having a shoddy site. However, by pushing back the GM 7 release date, it is ticking people off. I know it takes a while but you aren’t getting out on the right foot for many people.
February 20th, 2007 at 02:50 am
I don’t know why, but people were thinking (Tristan Todd) I was being rude with my comment above. So I will say now,
“Take as long as you need. Keep up the good work and I can’t wait to see the new site. I should of waited to upgrade to Vista, my bad. If the release was a month away from today, I would still be happy.”
February 20th, 2007 at 03:09 am
Regradless of what may of been implied by my fork related pun earlier, i assure you i pose no fork proding thregth to yoyogames. On that note, i’d like to say its very nice to hear some faint signs of life from you.. i was getting worried T.T ..anyways… good luck on the site, with news leaking about its design i’m actualy looking forward to the site more then GM7 at the moment. I’ll check back on the 23rd in hopes to see another blog post up or news on the actual site.
February 20th, 2007 at 05:02 am
The 23rd is an excellent date. Good choice.
Patience is a virtue, guys. Better to have everything in its right place before the official release.
February 20th, 2007 at 06:05 am
thanks for the update, its great to have a date when we will get the date.
February 20th, 2007 at 06:18 am
Cool good to know we will know when to expect it soon. though make sure you set a date you can keep (though that is a hard thing to do) i can’t wait for the release
February 20th, 2007 at 06:37 am
Excellent! I’m super-stoked!!
Kep up the great work
February 20th, 2007 at 07:55 am
First it was told that it is just a few days delay. Now a release date will be announced on Friday, that doesn’t sound like GM7 being released soon. Until now YoYo Games had brought nothing but bad news, so you will have a hard stand in the GMC since there must be some really great features to justify such a delay.
February 20th, 2007 at 09:45 am
Windapple, the release date was tentatively set… let’s not act like they are the anti-Christ just because they’re a little “late.” I’m also having a hard time finding where they released this bad news you mentioned.
In nay case, it’s good to see some movement here - I’m looking forward to the new stuff, and the release!
February 20th, 2007 at 10:53 am
@FredFredrickson:
-Game Maker can’t be registered until GM 7 appears.
-Users with older and slower PCs, and users with S3 Graphic Cards can’t get keys for Game Maker 5.3A anymore, the last version working on these machines.
-Permanent shifting of release dates. For example, saying “It is ready in a month.” creates less displeasure than shifting it one week four times.
After all, YoYo Games could have had a better start in Game Maker business than it has.
Of course I’m looking forward to GM 7, and I can wait. But the circumstances which this shift to YoYo Games creates besides GM 7 itself could have been avoided.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:56 am
Three words: Duke Nukem Forever.
Please stop crying about the release date of the new version of Game Maker as such drivel honestly does not present the Game Maker community in a positive light. How about a little professionalism, please? Thank you.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:22 am
You consulted Glynis McCants, didn’t you?
February 20th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Sounds good to me, but my only fear is that the YYG site and forums won’t be done in time. Frankly, I haven’t seen much of either at all, and seeing how the new forums work would help so that I can actually moderate. My two cents (which would be about 2.4 Yen).
February 20th, 2007 at 01:05 pm
If it wasn’t for this whole YoYo Games crap GM7 would’ve been out since January now…
February 20th, 2007 at 02:03 pm
“Please stop crying about the release date of the new version of Game Maker as such drivel honestly does not present the Game Maker community in a positive light. How about a little professionalism, please?”
Professionalism is exactly what’s lacking here - but not from the posters.
People using GM for commercial purposes - the *professional* users - may be losing their livelihood over this. Game networks have been demanding Vista-compatible builds since DECEMBER. Many people were told their games would be _removed from sale_ if they were not Vista-ready by the end of January. No sales, no income. No income, no groceries, no rent. End of game. Eviction for you.
Now, I don’t know if that’s actually happened to anyone. But for the people who are using GM to make a living, having to beg and plead not to be punished because their new build would be ready at date X, and then date Y, and then date Z… all because a WEBSITE isn’t complete yet… it’s not very pleasant.
The PROFESSIONAL response would have been to release GM7 to special early adopters who could demonstrate a need for it - the professional users, who wouldn’t care or even notice that the ‘publish on yoyogames’ option wasn’t working yet, because they wouldn’t be using it. And if you want to raise the profile of GM as a valid development tool for professional games, these users are exactly the people you want to keep happy.
With all these delays, I have heard mutterings from people who are defecting to Garage Games and will not use GM for work ever again, because it’s too unreliable. Seriously, an engine delayed because of a WEBPAGE!
February 20th, 2007 at 03:26 pm
Gamedeveloper - You took the words right out of my mouth. However, you did it more eloquently than I could have.
Professionalism is very important. I for one, find no problem with people stating their displeasure at a company’s unprofessional behavior. I do, however, get a bit annoyed at people complaining about posters wanting the company to be professional. Not everyone has the luxury to wait while being told a potential date, then that date passing with no word, then hearing a date that may or may not be a release date of the program.
To be honest, I really couldn’t care less about the launch of YoYo games web site. That is not the important thing here. The important thing is that the application (that is already complete, BTW) gets into the hands of those that seiously need it.
February 20th, 2007 at 05:38 pm
“Professionalism is exactly what’s lacking here - but not from the posters.
…
With all these delays, I have heard mutterings from people who are defecting to Garage Games and will not use GM for work ever again, because it’s too unreliable. Seriously, an engine delayed because of a WEBPAGE! ”
I consider myself a power user of GM, and frankly, I don’t think it’s very “professional” to depend on the release of software for any kind of commercial product you may be working on. If you’ve got a hard deadline for a project, you need to make absolutely sure that the tools you are using to make your game are available will be ready… and depending on release dates that are not set in stone is not the best way of going about this.
If people want to move on to Garage Games and ditch GM altogether over a few missed release dates, that’s fine - these people will be just as disappointed with every other company out there who either misses the occasional release date or simply doesn’t give out release dates to avoid the whole problem in the first place.
Seriously people… some of you act as if your very life depends on the release of GM7. And yet a month before all we heard (from the same people) was that GM7 didn’t contain enough new stuff to be a full version increment.
Get over it. Act mature. Be patient.
February 20th, 2007 at 08:20 pm
Mark, help us. Create a link to GM 7 .Thank you.
February 20th, 2007 at 09:32 pm
Thank you FredFredrickson! Took the words right out of my mouth.
Anyone who may be “losing their livelihood” over the delayed release of GM7 are talking out of their backsides. They should really be finishing their games in GM6. It is not Mark’s or YoYo Games’ problem if someone upgraded to Vista before GM7 was officially released.
My word, people! Plan ahead! What games are you making that can’t be done in GM6?
February 20th, 2007 at 09:45 pm
Oh how nice it would be to be able to finish my game in GM6. Too bad it isn’t possible since I am not allowed to register the thing. Like I mentioned a couple of days ago, I could wait for version 7 as long as it takes. But not even being able to purchase a previously released application is pretty rediculous.
February 20th, 2007 at 09:59 pm
Patience folks, Im sure everyone is doing the best they can. On Friday the 23rd they will be able to annouce the release date and information on the further development of the website. That is according to their announcement.
Unless you have a game release deadline knocking you over the head relax and wait
February 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
In this flurry of business, it has sometimes taken over 2 weeks for people to receive their keys, so I fail to see the urgency.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
Really? 2 weeks? I am sorry to hear that. I am used to purchasing an application registration key and getting it immediatly. I guess, I am just too spoiled by contemporary technology.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
“They should really be finishing their games in GM6. It is not Mark’s or YoYo Games’ problem if someone upgraded to Vista before GM7 was officially released.”
And you should really be actually reading the posts before commenting on them. We’re talking about games that already have been finished in GM6.
Let me spell this out for you in small simple terms:
Vista was released to the public. This was a deadline NOT set by any individual shareware developer. This was done by Microsoft.
Places that sell software demanded that new versions of software be made available so that THEIR customers, who have switched to Vista, will not experience difficulty. To that end, LARGE BUSINESSES, not any individual shareware developers, issued an ultimatum that any product not Vista-ready by the end of January would be dropped.
While I do not know if any of these large businesses actually enforced that ultimatum, the fact remains that such statements were made. They were not a result of any individual shareware developer setting their own deadline too close to the projected release date of GM7. They were not a result of any shareware developer trying to complete a game in GM7 Beta (that’s a pretty dumb thing to do).
Now, since if I make a long post you will simply not read it, I’ll have to split this…
February 20th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Again, I DO NOT KNOW if anyone HAS actually lost their livelihood. All I know is:
Big business, NOT individual developers, demanded that new versions of games be ready by the end of January to coincide with the widespread consumer access to Vista. NEW VERSIONS of EXISTING games. Not games that can’t be made in GM6.
GM7 was originally projected to be ready by that time, so this wouldn’t have been a problem.
GM7 actually is ready, but isn’t being released because of the website issue.
Therefore, IF anyone’s products have been delisted because they couldn’t produce a new version on schedule, they may have lost a month’s income over a pointless website delay. This is a very big deal, yet was entirely avoidable.
Now, do you understand how it is possible that this is more than just a matter of needing patience for some people?
(However, I expect that many of those ultimatums were not actually enforced and were just scare tactics to try and get as much ready for launch as possible. I am not trying to claim that you actually HAVE forced someone to starve on the street. Simply that there are other viewpoints besides ‘wah wah I want my toy now’ and ‘Everything YoYoGames Does Is Right’.)
February 20th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
Out of the handful of people I know of who actually do sell games with GM, none have complained about this here or elsewhere.
Obviously it’s not all flowers and fun, but we’re all in the same boat. Yelling at YoYoGames while they try to make sure their product is up to snuff isn’t going to help anyone; all it does is get the horde riled up about something that by and large, does not concern them.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
I hope they release GM7 in february but I also think that they should take thier time in making a good website. That would probably make a difference.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
And yelling at posters for expressing their feelings does the same thing. Sorry, but you really haven’t helped matters by telling us how immature we are and telling us to “Get over it.”
We simply expressed our displeasure at the appearant unprofessional actions of the company. Silence is unprofessional. It takes all of five minutes to post a statement on a blog like this. All we have really asked is to be kept informed. A statement before the middle of February letting us know what was going on would have been the professional thing to do. Instead, they ignored us and came out days later and said, “Sorry, it didn’t happen. But we will tell you on Friday when it will.”
I must say that it does not instill a great deal of faith for me in the future of the company. Is this how we can expect to be treated in the future? All I can say is, I hope not.
Obviously we have no choice but to wait as long as it takes. Our only option at this point is to vent. So, we vent. If you want to wait for your new “toy”, fine. But some of us are pretty anxious to get a “tool.”
February 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
“To that end, LARGE BUSINESSES, not any individual shareware developers, issued an ultimatum that any product not Vista-ready by the end of January would be dropped.”
Yeah, right. I’d like to see the official word from one of these LARGE BUSINESSES you are referring to. I assume that you are referring to game portals such as Real Arcade or Yahoo Games. An ultimatum to be Vista compatible by the end of January? I highly doubt it. Any business worth their salt would continue to support XP for quite awhile, especially since a minimal amount of people would upgrade to Vista immediately upon release. I could see them giving a time limit months down the road, but not when Vista was only available to the general consumer at the end of January.
“GM7 was originally projected to be ready by that time, so this wouldn’t have been a problem.”
Projected. That’s the key word. A projection is not something to count on.
“GM7 actually is ready, but isn’t being released because of the website issue.”
And? Mark and YoYo games made a business decision to release GM7 and the new YoYo website at the same time. They don’t owe an explanation to anybody. The way they handle their own business is up to them. They are obviously hard at work.
If you can’t abide by other people’s schedules, then write your own engine so that you won’t have to. Simple as that.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:17 am
Fred: You’re right, it isn’t relevant to most people present, it’s just my frustration speaking when some of the people present try to claim that there’s no reason to be frustrated at all.
Mentat, so basically, your answer is - don’t use GM for commercial purposes.
Which is fine, if that’s the way they want it to be.
Supporting Vista is hardly the same thing as throwing out all XP support. I can tell you that many tech support forums are already filling up with screams of outrage that the games they purchased which weren’t designed for Vista aren’t working correctly. And naturally, the silly customers blame the game and not Vista… What a headache! Anybody who works in tech support is probably considering seppuku this month. Not to mention the angry bean-counters when faced with a pile of refund demands. (Slightly off-topic, I know. I’m just trying to remind you that YES, real businesses DO want to support Vista as soon as it launches. On the other hand, clearly they aren’t all pulling their non-vista products off the shelves, or I wouldn’t have all these angry reports to deal with…)
February 21st, 2007 at 12:20 am
The problem is that you (YoYo Games) want to release everything together. That’s just stupid and unnecessary. You should now fully focus on writing the new registration system, so Game Maker 7 can finally be released and my uncle can finally receive his registration key, which he had ordered and paid just before the shop was closed. AFTER THAT, you can start worrying about the YoYo Website. You have to choose your priorities.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:36 am
I am entirely indifferent.
February 21st, 2007 at 01:21 am
Game Maker was originally developed as an educational tool for teaching game development, according to Jason Habgood and Lennart Nacke.
It’s not stupid, and it’s certainly not unnecessary. An effective and coordinated launch is integral to the successful marketing of Game Maker and the YoYo Games social network as a platform for game development. I understand this because I’m involved with strategic branding and integrated marketing communications. I also understand there are users whose frustrations are valid. I would not have disabled the registration of Game Maker 6 prior to the release of Game Maker 7… That makes no sense to me.
February 21st, 2007 at 03:04 am
Not sure if this has been said but… They never said they would release gm7 on the 23rd. They just said that they would have a date THEN for gm7 to be released.
“…but by Friday night (GMT), 23rd February we’ll be able to TELL YOU THE DATE for the GM7 launch…”
February 21st, 2007 at 04:29 am
I would rather them release a good quality product late than an under-par product on the given deadline.
Dates change. Anyone who has been in this industry for more than a few weeks would know that. I think people should stop dramatising something that is really a very small problem.
February 21st, 2007 at 05:14 am
Zyzyx - The product is already done. They are not doing anything more to it whatsoever. We are not waiting for them to make sure that the product is good enough to release. We are waiting for them to get the website done.
February 21st, 2007 at 08:15 am
A social networking and file sharing platform is not merely a “website”.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:15 pm
I’d also like to add that Mark Overmars clarified the reason for the delay here.
I emboldened the text that should be emphasized.
February 21st, 2007 at 03:32 pm
Let me help a BIT. The new version of GM7 is wrapped in a DRM. This is to make sure that everybody is treated fairly…those that have paid the $20 for v 5 or 6 get a free upgrade…if you’ve been using a registered version that you didn’t pay for, then it will be harder to carry on doing this with Verison 7.
This is an INCREDIBLY fair system as Mark has put thousands of hours into creating this product and the “free or lite” version is still immensely powerful and remains free, even with GM 7.
Unfortunately the DRM work (which, as Mark points out, includes the payment mechanism) has caused a lot of delays that we didn’t expect ..no details here, but there are a lot of poor companies selling DRMs and finding the right one that will work seemlessly was harder than we could have anticipated… e.g. believe it or not one of the biggest DRMs doesn’t work with Vista !
The GOOD news is the issues are 99.999% solved and we’ll tell you Friday exactly when you can start downloading the final version of GM7….I agree this is the most important thing to get done first and I’ve changed our plans slightly to makle sure this happens first. I appreciate even the negative feedback, so please keep it coming…the wait is almost over.
Your friend,
Sandy
February 21st, 2007 at 04:52 pm
Just a side question: will there be a patch or version 7.01 if serious bugs/issues are found immediately after the availability of the new version? With all the thousands of people downloading and start using it, new bugs could arise.
Because in regards to this I was planning on waiting a bit before downloading it myself (and to help the download server breathe
February 21st, 2007 at 05:28 pm
Sandy - Thank you very much for that explaination. It really does help that we at least have an idea of what is going on. I do have a question, that I could wait and find out if I need. But, will the new payment system allow me to register and get a key right away? Will it be automated, or will we have to wait for a period before recieving the key?
You may have answered that above, but since I am not sure what a DRM is, I don’t know.
Thanks again, for the update. It is really appreciated.
February 21st, 2007 at 06:23 pm
Please fix your login system, I am a registered member, but now your system will not take my password. I have even try to change it and that doesn’t work. Also I tried to register again, but that doesn’t work. Please fix your system!!!!!!!!!!
February 21st, 2007 at 06:36 pm
Lonewolf3d - I may be wrong, but I don’t think there is anything to log into yet. They have allowed us to register early so that everything is ready when they get the forums going. But, unless I am missing something, that’s all there is.
February 21st, 2007 at 06:37 pm
YAY!!!
i’ve been waiting for gm7 a LOOOOOOOOOO…OOOOOONG time.
And now finally we shall now the exact date of the release of gm7
Oh, it’s so anticipating!
I’m waiting.
February 21st, 2007 at 06:52 pm
I hope that they can keep that date then xD
February 21st, 2007 at 06:55 pm
The DRM will allow for different methods of payment. You will for example be able to pay directly inside the program. If you use credit card or PayPal the program will immediately be upgraded to the Pro version without even the need to enter a key (although you will also receive it in case you have to reinstall it later). But you will also be able to pay outside the application through our website and then you will get an activation code by email.
As you see we are working hard to improve the service. And unfortunately, that takes some time.
Mark
February 21st, 2007 at 07:12 pm
@In response to Mark O.@
Sounds really nice. Does “(although you will also receive it in case you have to reinstall it later)” mean it will be showed on screen or send as email, or maybe both?
I guess I have to read about the term “DRM” *whistle*.
February 21st, 2007 at 07:16 pm
Hmm, javascripts not allowed. Maybe the best.
In case you wonder, I tried to enter “javascript:window.home()”
February 21st, 2007 at 07:16 pm
Mark - Wow! You have made me a very happy man today. Thank you so much!
February 21st, 2007 at 07:42 pm
You will receive your key by email, though the system attempts to do this automatically as well…whether or not this is succesful you still get your key by email.
Re Login issues….Michael Brinkley is right…we wanted to make sure taht you can “reserve” your id from the GM site…so that is what we’ve captured…won’t be long before we have something worth logging into…
DRM = “Digital Rights Management” …try wikipedia if you want to know (whistle :-)) more…I just felt so stupid after explaining “GLOG” that I’m sticking with TLA’s (Three Letter Acronyms before you ASK !!)
BlaXun…the date(s) we give you Friday will be real or I will eat my children.
Sandy
February 21st, 2007 at 07:59 pm
Sandy - Eat them early. If you wait too long they get too tough to deal with. All of my children have lived to adulthood. I guess I waited too long.
Disclaimer: that was a joke. (never know what people will take seriously these days.)
February 21st, 2007 at 08:05 pm
I can’t wait… This is going to be awsome, I want the site almost more that GM7. It will be great.
Blue Rune
February 21st, 2007 at 09:04 pm
DRM ? It seems nowadays DRM is getting a pretty bad rep all around. Even legit users are talking against DRM and copy protection measures that isntall hidden drivers on your system (like starforce, etc.) GM becoming a DRM application arrives as shocking news - I can see GM’s popularity going down the drain - Even as a legit user I would have second thoughts on installing something that puts hidden drivers all over my system like StarForce does - if that is the case you can rest assured I will do all in my power to get my $20 back even if it costs me more money - as a matter of principle.
You want a FAIR system ? Don’t waste your time with DRM. There are always ways around it and even the most heavily protected software gets cracked anyways - look at Windows XP, look at Windows VISTA, look at the DRM itself, look at BluRay and HD-DVD, I think I made my point.
BAD MOVE - Someone out there will still manage to crack GM. It’s a shame that you people waste your time on copy protection rather than the program itself. I am disappointed.
Crippling your software with DRM and tons of hidden drivers on people’s system will NOT encourage people to PAY for your program, and it will certainly turn even paid users like me away. You want to incite legal use of said program ? Then it is simple and does not require DRM. Whenever a user REGISTERS on yoyogames, they will need to provide their KEY, just their key alone - Only the IP address is logged with the key - So people would think twice before submitting invalid keys - If you are using the FREE version of GM7 then you can provide a unique KEY given by the program itself, again to verify you are really using the free version - This is what most game companies use for online gaming, they authenticate your key against a database of keys. Better than the DRM CRAP if you ask me, Sandy & Mark.
If ever I find out that GM7 will install hidden devices and drivers or tweak my windows settings in ANY way like StarForce does you can rest assured I will file a dispute with PayPal to get my money back.
Have a nice day.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:02 pm
There are good and bad DRM systems. We carefully looked for a good one. Clearly we don’t want to hamper the people that pay for Game Maker. We want to make life easier for them, by offering easier payment options, easy key recovery, etc. (Don’t mix the notions of DRM for e.g. music and video and DRM for software. They are completely different things. DRMs for music and videos do things with drivers. DRMs for software don’t.) Basically any piece of software you buy nowadays uses some sort of DRM system. Nothing to worrry about.
Mark
February 21st, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Mark -
I did a bit of research this afternoon regarding Starforce for software DRM. That in particular application is bad enough that there is a class action lawsuit against them and a company that used them. All kinds of horror stories out there. So, there are some issues with software DRMs as well as music DRMs.
That being said, I trust that YoYo did the same research that I did and decided to go with a DRM other than Starforce.
So, I am not really worried.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:32 pm
This site is pink…NOT!
February 21st, 2007 at 11:36 pm
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February 21st, 2007 at 11:40 pm
TRiley….just tell me you are prepared to pay for the hard work that Mark has put into creating the great new features you get in the “pro” version of GM 7 ??
Even if you don’t want to pay, then you still benefit from the thousands of hours that Mark has personally put into GM if you choose to use he “lite” version which has no restrictions on how and when you use it…
…so …whatever you mean by “DRM CRAP”…(and sometimes I hate DRM technology too, when I feel it doesn’t understand my GENUINE reason for copying)…..you should respect the people who create the content that you want to copy….whether they’re millionaire popstars or hard working University professors….they have a right to be paid for what they do if they ask for it…your right is not to use their product and therefore not to pay for it…
..regardless of the technology they choose to use (or not use) to protect their hard work I still RESPECT what they’ve done….and if somebody wants to deny their right to protect the results of their creativity then you can …..(rest of my feedback to you is unprintable dude)…..
…good luck to those who enrich our lives ….and long live copy protection when the first (and only) thing it should do is protect the people who CREATE…and that includes people who CREATE games !!
Regards, Sandy
February 21st, 2007 at 11:48 pm
My guess is that it will use C-Dilla or Armadillo
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 am
Oh and thank you Sandy, from your reply above to have just engaged WAR against your future supporters. Is that the thanks in advance dear customers ? Do you think you are giving new users incentives to pay for GM 7 ? What about us existing paid members, do you think your remarks incite us to install GM7 or use a GM7 stripped of protection ? Think about it. You are just as bad as the large corporations that have no understood one bit or learned one bit about copy protection - driving customers away - Spare me the bollox mate - Software companies make millions $ profit, and don’t tell me that the lot of bloody 13 year olds that found a copy on the net represent a major loss to your business, come on who are you kidding here - Genuine advantage was cracked so was activation it never prevented MS from making profits, and they even admitted what a FAILURE those methods are.
The whole point of this is that we do not want to be faced with more installations of DRM drivers on our system ontop of the ones already there…it’s pointless.
We are not talking about a $5000 3D Modeling software for christsake here - You guys should spend resources and time on the improvement of GM, not DRM crippling, haven’t you guys learned ANYTHING from Microsoft and Valve ?
I fully support Mark and his hard work and like I said Sandy there are better methods to validate people’s copies I already provided details on how and backed up my arguments. I mean I could easily find a cracked version of GM7 when it’s available and use THAT instead, hey I’m a paying member, but out of respect for Mark I might not want to, so I’ll continue using GM6.1 and you can rest assured I will not host ANYTHING on your website. I don’t condone or encourage piracy but sometimes drastic measures need to be taken to get your point across and by drastic measure I mean simply taking business elsewhere. You do realise Sandy that whether people pay or not, it is a matter of time before you will see cracked versions of GM7 and that people will get their hands on that, DRM free, while us paying users will have to endure drivers! How is this FAIR ?
ONCE AGAIN a major blow to paying users of software - It is clear that I DO NOT support invasive DRM - by invasive I mean software that hides and installs drivers in your windows directory, modifies your registry and loads services with windows - Do your research and see why this kind of practice gets frowned upon by the community.
I will not say anymore on this topic - I knew from the get go this merging with yoyogames was a bad idea.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 am
[quote]I knew from the get go this merging with yoyogames was a bad idea.[/quote]This wasn’t a merger in the first place.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 am
Hi, everyone! It’s so neat to be able to speak with Mark and everyone who’s so nice to make GameMaker possible and better than ever! Yup, it’s my first comments here… had to point that out, lol.
However, it’s sad how people are actually complaining on things that 1) they barely know about it seems and 2) are just saying things that don’t need to be said!
We’re all given the privilege to be able to have YoYoGames to communicate though and it seems too many people are forgetting that. In the past, we just had to wait for the newest version of GM. That’s it (which I’ve been happy to do, myself).
Now, we’re actually all let in on the history of such a great landmark as it gets closer and closer to release, and some people complain?! There’s a difference between voicing an opinion and being just rude.
Don’t worry too much about those negative comments, Sandy and everyone! I’m pretty sure most of us are all happy to have you helping and I thank you and everyone else VERY, VERY much for providing such great software and learning experiences (especially Mark!)!
Thank you so much!!! Have a good day!!!!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 am
Arcanine, people’s complaints are VALID. We’ve waited all this time because of GM7 delays only to find out that one of the reasons of the delay, main reason has to do with DRM. People have spoken against DRM on countless blogs on the internet, it’s nothing personal against Mark or Sandy but about their decisions. As to accusing us of talking about things we don’t know about, it seems you haven’t done your research on DRM, maybe after sucking up to the mods and admin you can start your research process and look into things - If those complaints were ISOLATED there would not have been a class action suit against Sony, keep that in mind. I don’t think you’ll have the same stance should you install GM7 and find out what it installs, hidden from view, like some software out there - assuming of course this will be the case, but using many of those software myself I am aware that DRM means installing 3rd party drivers on your system and executing at windows start, that is FACT. For expensive, $5000 software I can understand. And as to Sandy claiming I can use the FREE version, why should I use a free version when I PAID for 6.1? This is nothing personally against Mark or Sandy, I am one of the MANY buyers of software that is strongly against invasive DRM measures, do your research on the net to see other unsatisfied customers, so you can post on each blog about how PERFECT you are. Good job on your first post mate, now it’s time to do your homework.
February 22nd, 2007 at 01:08 am
TRiley, you forget that you are talking to real people. Please try to be civil.
By the way, you can use HTML to embolden the words you feel need emphasis. There’s no need for excessive capitalization.
February 22nd, 2007 at 01:41 am
Well, after all this DRM stuff my decision to wait a bit with the installation of the new GM7 seems valid more than ever. Wait and see what happens. I’m also one of those users that don’t want programs to install *anything* other than the program itself. DRM drivers? Huh! 8
February 22nd, 2007 at 01:49 am
TRiley, i feel you are getting mixed up with the type of DRM that music and videos use. As Mark has already said, the DRM that software uses is different from this.
Incase you missed that comment, here is the url to it for your convenience.
http://playsnack.com/2007/02/19/its-been-a-bit-quietnot/#comment-677
February 22nd, 2007 at 01:50 am
I dont know anything bout DRM, but *IF* it installs other stuff besides GM7 I won’t use it :/
But, Mark himself stated above that there wont be anything else installed besides GM7…hope its true ^^
February 22nd, 2007 at 01:54 am
Ok, can we call a time out for a moment? Just because YoYo Games is using a DRM doesn’t mean that the installation will put any unwanted drivers on your computer. Not all DRM packages do that.
Yes, there are some DRM packages that are considered Malware and are a bane to society in general. But that doesn’t mean that All of them are. Sandy stated earlier that they have spent a great deal of time searching for one that works properly and is the best to suit their needs.
I must put at least a little faith in them that they have made a wise choice. Personally, I am going to download it and install it as soon as it is ready. If I am wrong and it does install malicious code then I know how to remove that malicious code.
So, let’s just back up and step and see what is in the works before condemning the product out of hand, ok? Please?
February 22nd, 2007 at 02:01 am
In general Mark’s comment about music v. software DRM is correct. However, just so that people are aware of dangers that do exist. Please do a search on “starforce drm”. You will find that that “software” DRM is actually the worst one in existance and can cause some serious damage to your computer (including hardware damage to CD/DVD burners.) But again, I take Mark at his word that the DRM they are using does not install malicious drivers to your system. As much as I have had issue in the past few days with lack of information from YoYo, I do trust them.
February 22nd, 2007 at 02:24 am
I think this is getting completely blown out of proportion. Also consider this, GM7 is a free update for registered owners which is a gracious enough gesture. If any version 6 owners are unhappy about this then no one is forcing them to upgrade.
I have plenty of legitimately purchased software which has various versions of DRM running on my system which is neither intrusive or troublesome. I think everyone should hang fire with judgements of doom until v7 is at least released.
February 22nd, 2007 at 04:22 am
“Blown out of proportion” seems to sound about right, Fireburst.
The absolute drama surrounding this short delay, in order to bring people a working evolution of Gamemaker and its community, is simply ridiculous.
We’ve already waited years for GM7. I’m sure we could hold out for a few more days
Besides, the addition of yoyogames to the GM community is fantastic - up until this point the development of GM was essentially a one-man show. Now we have a whole bunch of willing people devoting time to the furtherment of the Gamemaker community and tools.
And I don’t blame Sandy for getting a little annoyed. Most of the people posting in these blogs have done NOTHING but bitch about the hard working people trying to help us and our use of GM.
Look up DRM technology before you start attacking their use of it. DRM does not mean “Starforce”. They didn’t mention Starforce when they noted their use of a DRM. Why assume they are using it?
I’m certainly looking forward to GM7. I have important work-related needs for it too - but I’m not complaining about the wait. And I’m looking forward to yoyogames joining the GM community - but I’m not going to abuse them and their efforts simply because they underestimated the time required to get the system up and running.
Go ahead and abuse me if you’d like. I’m simply trying to point out (possibly not the best way to do it) that the drama surrounding this update is just getting silly. Only a handful of people have even bothered to try and make yoyogames feel welcome in the community. How do you think that makes them feel? I’m sure they are fully aware that their time delay would annoy people, but trust me - as a person who has done it before - being in yoyogames position is far, far more frustrating.
Sorry if I offend anyone. Just trying to point out the folly of getting upset over a small time delay.
February 22nd, 2007 at 06:12 am
Kupo… well, I don’t use GM that much anymore, so I can’t be that much help, but… I hope it’s out soon.
February 22nd, 2007 at 06:37 am
I agree with Zyzyx. And therefore, on behalf of everybody that just looked at this site like I have been and simply appreciating what YoYoGames Staff are doing for the community, thankyou YoYo games Staff for placing an extreme amount of effort into ensuring that the site is a truly great tool for the community and keep up the good work. I personally hope that your first impressions of the community are not negative; as you probably know there are plenty of good people in the community who have seen your entry into the fold as a great event.
February 22nd, 2007 at 06:42 am
Lol, I’m with some of the most recent posts here.
However, ouch, I’m going to ignore posts like Triley’s for many reasons. I don’t have the time, nor do I want to argue pointlessly to see who can post the most wittiest bashes, lol (time can be used more constructively than that).
Anyways, I’ll be looking forward to GameMaker 7, and I’m pretty sure Mark knows what he’s doing (*cough* professor *cough*). YoYo Games seems like it’s just having to go though the sad “critism” stage that so many people go through when they try to do something different.
Have a good day, everyone (including TRiley)!
February 22nd, 2007 at 08:47 am
I fully agree with ZyZyX, and also, if YOYOGAMES wouldn’t have joined mr. Overmars, mr. Overmars have to make GM7 alone, and it would have take much more time, so be happy that YOYOGAMES joined mr. Overmars. and don’t complain about the delays they make. because it are no delays. If mr. Overmars have to do it alone, it would take much longer. And, mr. Overmars has made a wise dicitoin??? joining YYG, so he will do that again with the DRM system.
Sorry for my bad english btw. firts year i’m learning english…
Tomorrow release date
!!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 am
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February 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 am
Triley Says - ‘Oh and thank you Sandy, from your reply above to have just engaged WAR against your future supporters.’
What did he do? If anything you attempted to start a war with him…
TRiley Says - ‘I will not say anymore on this topic’
I thought ‘Thats good to know’ scroll down 2 or 3 replies, look who it is.
TRiley Says - ‘I knew from the get go this merging with yoyogames was a bad idea.’
Good to know you gave them a change to help…
I don’t think all this worry is justified, the chances of GM7 installing shit that might hurt your PC without you knowing is slim to none. If you are so worried about it, like my good friend ‘TRiley’ here, set a system restore point on your computer before you install it. Then if I turn out to be wrong, and GM7 some how attempts to destroy you computer with bombardments of anti-piracy software, which there is a good chance of happening*, restore your PC to what it was luck before you installed GM7, then go off and have a nice law suit to get your $20 back.
I have really had enough with this complaining by some people, at least wait until it comes out. I mean shit it’s a few days late, we better all go off and create a topic on the GMC about how lazy YYG are**.
* Note: that sentence was typed by my good friend sarcasm, maybe a few of you have heard of him.
** That was also sarcasm, I personally can’t wait to see what they are up to!
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 am
Oh but I AM most grateful and appreciative of all the work Overmars and the other Yoyo guys are doing! I most certainly am! At 15 EUR this is an incredible bargain! No arguments here.
It’s just this DRM stuff that boggles me a bit… But let’s wait and see.
February 22nd, 2007 at 06:03 pm
rolls eyes… TRiley if you are so against all this why bother wasting our time by posting… most of us don’t particularly want to have to scroll through your frankly annoying and mostly stupid posts. Before you post, make sure you know what you’re talking about
February 22nd, 2007 at 06:04 pm
Sorry for the double post - but thanks Reuben, someone needed to write that
February 22nd, 2007 at 06:22 pm
Well, I think this blog may have been a bad idea. Folks will visit the new YoYo Games and GM site and see all this fussing and really get a bad idea. If I was looking at getting GM and saw all these negative comments I would have no faith in the community or the business and walk away. Think about that folks.
February 22nd, 2007 at 07:09 pm
I cant wait for GM 7 & the yoyo website, to come out.
February 22nd, 2007 at 07:23 pm
I’m sure that Sandy, and the rest of the YYG team knows that TRiley’s words are not a reflection of the entire community - they are merely the concerns of a very small, but vocal, fringe.
Pointing out concerns is fine, but there’s no need to denounce the entire project just because your experiences with DRM have been bad in the past. Mark and YYG are interested in making GM something that is useful and helpful to people - they aren’t going to cripple their own work, and forfeit thousands of hours of work.
February 22nd, 2007 at 07:53 pm
Can’t please everyone, I guess.
The hysteria surrounding this release is mystifying.
February 22nd, 2007 at 09:45 pm
I hope they do tell us when it will be released tommorow. Hopefully still in february.
February 22nd, 2007 at 09:47 pm
I wish everybody had something better to do than to pester Yoyogames and Mark for Gm7!!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 09:52 pm
Thank you Sandy/Mark for popping in and keeping us informed. I have to admit I’m more excited about the new forum/website than gm7 :), though the extension mechanism is nothing to scoff at :P.
February 22nd, 2007 at 09:54 pm
I’m sorry but you are incorrect - This concern in regards to DRM is shared by a LARGE number of people - Once again someone above pointed they did their research, so did I. Why do you think Sony got into hot water, yet they said the same thing at first. One would think that Sony and other companies don’t want to harm themselves, by the same reasoning. Before bashing the people who write negative comment on a blog you might want to DO your research on other blogs and do some reading about game copy protection and DRM in general. I’m sorry but ANY form of the common DRM used WILL install non GM related software on your PC, don’t let anybody here tell you otherwise, once again do the research. I have. I am willing to expose whatever GM7 will use once it’s released and it will be fairly easy to find out what files are modified, written, installed…….I think it is our fair right as consumers to know what is being done to our system during installation and it is CLEAR that DRM measures benefits the PIRATES and not us legitimate buyers because pirates will find ways around DRM by using cracked which are everywhere nowadays, where us paid users have to live with scattered and hidden files related to DRM and copy protection - Should we stay and not complain and voice our concerns? All this time I thought the delay was to further improve GM7 and the website, I NEVER in my mind imagined all the time and resources spent on something that will have absolutely no effect on sales. And anybody here who wants to close their eyes and attack negative posters are those same people who have not done their homework. Sorry but I am direct and up to the point, I don’t see all the fuss about my posts, I didn’t use any vulgarity, cussing or attacked someone’s personal life, and it is my every right to voice my concerns - blogs are not meant strictly for POSITIVE feedback - and this DRM is a major concern - Why not run a poll and see how many people would AGREE for GM to use DRM and by that install non GM related software on your PC - some of those DRM packages install over 10-20MB if not more of modules on your hard disk.
Yes many commercial softwares use DRM - We are talking about GM, I thought it was said GM was not being commercialised - We are talking about a $20 software - Why would ANYBODY in their right mind rip off someone for $20, for a software that in reality is probably worth 10 times more ? It upsets me to see people would rip off Mark, but on the other hand since we are on the topic of FAIR treatment, I don’t think it is FAIR to have to deal with non GM realted DLLs and registry entries for DRM when it will NOT stop people from using pirated GM software.
What is so BAD about what I said above ? Sometimes the truth hurts and you will ALWAYS get some people sucking up to Mark and yoyogames and trying to shut us up - some of us are smart consumers, and this always stirs things up.
People on the forum were voicing their concerns, and saying it is only a FEW of us is wrong, look at all the closed threads - people are concerned, and usually are shut up by moderators - Nothing prevents Sandy from deleting this from his blog - But keep in mind it is MY computer, I paid for YOUR software and I am entitled to have a say as to what gets installed on my computer and am fully entitled to FULL transparancy and disclosure as to WHAT is being installed. I’ve done some research on all the different DRMs out there, not all are invasive or cause harm, but the most common ones use are talked about a lot online. Most of them will install other components on your PC however and I think the use of DRM is unwarranted, at least for GameMaker Nobody has answered my question and being evasive about it - Instead of imposing DRM, why not do like most GOOD shareware companies and simply authenticate key - This does not require any installation of DLLs or other components. A member who registers on yoyo is required to provide his key during registration - IP and key are logged, this method alone will incite people who have not paid, to do so, in a non invasive way. Keys would then be CHECKED and program disactivated to FREE/LITE and access on site being denied. Why hasn’t this simple, yet effective method been considered ? I think I’ve backed up my arguments as to why I should be concerned, and I even provided to suggestions as to what can be done better, yet I have to see a response.
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 pm
wow…theres a long text above…anybody who’d read it?…no? me neither! xD
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:21 pm
The closed threads on the forum were created by but a handful of the 42,000+ membership, and none of them, so far as I know, have had anything to do with DRM issues.
The problems with DRM that you mentioned, though highly publicized, are also a very small portion of all the DRM that currently exists. I’ll agree - both Sony and Star Force were / are overzealous in trying to protect content. These are not the only DRM’s out there though, and most of the other solutions are encountered without much trouble, unless of course, you’re trying to get around them.
On a side note, I don’t believe anybody, except you TRiley, has mentioned anything about a DRM being installed alongside GM with extra drivers, invasive components, or anything else that might compromise your system.
I am not some starry-eyed imbecile, defending GM because I want to “suck up” to anybody - I am merely a user who likes the product, and wants to see it continued. I’m not going to waste my time writing a huge rant one way or the other though, because frankly, you can’t make any logical or intelligent arguments for or against the DRM they chose to use in GM7 until you’ve tried it yourself.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Fred, I have used GM7 and I have not complained about GM7, it is in fact similar to GM6.1, what I am concerned about is the new GM7 will be wrapped with DRM and having researched DRM most do as a matter of fact install components, so this is why I am concerned - I will still use GM7 when it’s out, but will be forced to do so on a test system so I can see what file components get installed with it. If I have to be honest, I do not trust YoYoGames and I don’t see how they can bring anything to GM or the community - There are tons of FREE hosting sites for people to upload their games, and for paid hosting there are tons of very affordable hosts. YoYoGames did NOT make a very good first impression on me, for one, a new company, a new website, they did not get the spelling right, and now they are talking about DRMing the software. As to your 42,000 members, not all 42k members are active keep that mind, a fraction of that are active and it’s the same ones who post most of the time. Anyways I am not about to LIE to please people, just keeping it real, I do not like the way GM is heading.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:52 pm
TRiley, shut up.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 pm
“Keeping it real” makes no sense when you have absolutely nothing but paranoia to base your opinions of this new company on. GM7 with DRM is not out yet. The DRM might be intrusive. It might not even be noticeable. You have absolutely no reason to be up in arms over their decision to include it yet.
I also see no reason why an entirely new company cannot be trusted due to a simple typo. And what is the problem with yet another place to host our games? How could you possibly spin that to be a bad thing?
Jut try to act mature about things, and don’t jump to conclusions. It’s fine to have naysayers, and great to have people post their concerns. But tying to make people get all riled up and mad about something that we don’t really know anything about yet is, for lack of a better word, stupid.
February 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 am
triley: “I will not say anymore on this topic”
Gee, for someone who won’t say more about the topic, you sure do have a lot to not say.
February 23rd, 2007 at 12:05 am
If you are on an anti-DRM spree, then I hope that you have contacted all your software suppliers and demanded that they provide you with DRM-free software. Surely the big-name companies will bow down and give you what you want, right? Well if they won’t, then why should GM? It’s not yours. It belongs to Mark, and he has a right to protect his work. He could have increased the price to cover the loss through theft, but he hasn’t, he’s taking steps to protect his work. I don’t blame him for that.
Quite frankly, we don’t live in a nice world. Thieves have ruined things for everyone. I hate shopping at department stores as I have young children, and they always insist on looking in the nappy bag when I exit. I consider it an invasion of privacy, and I hate being suspected a thief, just because I have a baby and carry a nappy bag. But I can’t do anything about it, this is what morons have done to the world. It’s their fault, not the department store’s.
Quite frankly, there is a legitimate use for DRMs in today’s world, whether we like them or not. And the scare-tactics of saying ‘this one DRM is really bad, so all DRMs are really bad!’ is childish. It is not a logical argument, and it is one that isn’t making you any friends, especially since this is one product where the community tends to respect the programmer.
I look forward to your public posting of how GM7’s DRM has ruined your computer and your life. I’ll have already downloaded it by then, however.
Have a nice day.
February 23rd, 2007 at 01:02 am
TRiley is right in case yoyogames do employ invasive DRM..
In the long run, they are fruitless and anoying..
GM, no metter how simple it seems compared to any other software,
is first, right and evolutionary step towards abridgeing peoples
creativity and zealous language of machine… it is the only peace
of software I ever paid for…
Respect to Mark
UNLEASH GM7!! xD
February 23rd, 2007 at 01:30 am
You have the right not to use GM7 or GM at all.
February 23rd, 2007 at 01:34 am
oops, kinda pressed submit before i meant to.. to continue what i was saying..
You have the right not to use GM7 or GM at all. However, you do not have the right to tell Mark or anyone else not to protect their software.
February 23rd, 2007 at 01:47 am
I have been giving this DRM thing a lot of thought. So, here is my take on it. As far as I can tell, the DRM applications that are intrusive and cause problems are the ones that verify the authenticity of the installation CD of your software. Or they watch to see if you are attempting to make illegal copies of your installation CD.
Is GM even distributed on a CD? I know that I will be downloading it from the internet and registering in online. Therefore I will not have an installation CD for a DRM to check. This tells me that whatever DRM YoYo has decided to go with will mearly look at your installation of GM whenever you run it to determine if it is registered or not.
I have not seen any suggestion anywhere on the web, and I have searched a quite a bit (Triley, point me to online information if I am wrong), that DRMs not assoociated with CD installations are intrusive. So, as far as I can tell, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
However, I do think it would be a good idea on the part of YoYo games if they would let us know what DRM package they end up going with. That way we can be informed users and have what we need to make intelligent decisions regarding the software.
February 23rd, 2007 at 02:24 am
@Michael Brinkley
Well said mate
February 23rd, 2007 at 02:52 am
Why would DRM be so bad for GM anyways?
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:25 am
So in response to your previous postings, I have decided to post this story.
There was once a small child by the name Edward. Edward lived a very cheerful life. His parents catered to him and gave him what he needed. One day Edward’s father came to him and told him that he would give him his property when he died. As the years passed Edward grew in age. Every year that passed made his mind think more and more about the idea of owning the property. When Edward was 19 years old, Edward killed his father. When his father was in his last stages of life, he whispered “Son…. of all the things in life I have promised you, I have one thing to tell you I lied about. GM7 Will never come out”
–Story End
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:32 am
TRiley, you’re a nut. The vast majority of DRM is entirely harmless and most people don’t even notice it’s installed. It’s only rare cases that cause such big problems, and that’s why you hear so much about those individual cases.
You probably already have software that has some amount of DRM on it and you don’t even NOTICE.
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:41 am
@Andraxion
Great story xD
Love it :3
@TRiley
You are fu**ing amusing!
Go on, I love seein you write new comments and get bashed with every counter-answer ^-^
February 23rd, 2007 at 04:14 am
Andraxion - That was absolutely the most funniest, most hilarious thing I have read in a while - Thanks for the laugh !
:D 
February 23rd, 2007 at 04:21 am
damn…I hoped to get the news on “GM7 Release date” as soon as possible…but…its 04:20 over here now and Im startin to get sleepy…not to mention that I’ll have to get up early >.
February 23rd, 2007 at 04:24 am
Greed, murder and a nice twist…
You should be a writer Andraxion although I hope it isn’t based on a true story. Not because Edward’s father died but the part about GM7 not coming out. I wonder if that makes me a bad person…
Anyway I do not understand why some people, not too many, doubts Yoyo games or why some people disliked them from the start without giving them much, if any, chance to help…
I mean what goes from those peoples minds “Look a group of people are going to help improve the GMC, and GM itself. It must be a scam!!” if it’s anything like that then I feel sorry for them…
February 23rd, 2007 at 06:30 am
Over here in Australia its 4:22pm (I think thats 6:22am for most of you) Still no sign of GM7, oh well, Ill keep waiting.
As for TRileys comments, I dont know much about DRM but I do trust Yoyo Games and Mark Have done their research and know what they are doing. Having said this, I also think TRiley has every right to post his concerns, he has not been rude or unprofessional about anything, its the people who have been posting against him (as a generlisation) who have been rude and unprofessional.
Just thought Id add my 2 cents.
February 23rd, 2007 at 06:53 am
Maybe next time someone says they plan to release something on a certain day. They should also add “I do not mean 12am, i mean when i am actually awake.. probably sometime in the afternoon”.
February 23rd, 2007 at 07:15 am
Chronic - I am not disagreeing with you here. But, playing the devil’s advocate, it is almost industry standard these days that when a date is announced for anything, it is normally at midnight.
I am not saying that all are like that or that it should be expected, but most these days are.
So, I am not surprised that people are looking for it this early. I half expected it myself. I am in the states and it is just now 10 PM here. I thought I would check it out before I went to bed to see if there was news yet.
Guess I will check back in the morning.
February 23rd, 2007 at 07:48 am
they did say friday night GMT, so that will be tomorrow morning here and afternoon in the states.
February 23rd, 2007 at 07:55 am
I’ll most likely be waking up to the news tomorrow. Though I’m not terribly excited… It’s just the release date. :>(
February 23rd, 2007 at 08:02 am
DannyBoy: Aside from this comment in which he does verbally attack another user, TRiley’s presumptive comments are communicated in an uncompromising and unprofessional manner that can only be interpreted in a negative way. That is precisely why other users do not think well of his concerns.
Now if he voiced his concerns in a mature and well-researched manner, perhaps his argument would be more persuasive. But clearly, he’s only interested in naysaying YoYo Games, doomsaying Game Maker, and blaming DRM for all the evil in the world. It’s up to him whether he wants to assume a calm and level-headed position in this discussion.
February 23rd, 2007 at 08:19 am
Yea, i’m just glad that there wont be anymore whining about the date.
now people dont have to check the place every hour or so ive heard
February 23rd, 2007 at 09:35 am
Dannyboy - You are correct. I had missed the part where they stated it would be in the evening. Hey, I never said I was the most observant person in the world.
February 23rd, 2007 at 09:39 am
Michael Brinkley, industry standard or not, there is still such a thing as time zones. Midnight for you, may not be midnight for Mark.
February 23rd, 2007 at 09:55 am
cant wait for tonight, it will be good to have a final (hopefully) release date. im probably more anxious for registration than GM7, however i think GM7 will be a useful tool.
p.s. are the forums down or is that just my computer?
February 23rd, 2007 at 10:07 am
Dawesbr - yes , the GMC forum is down, as you can read there the server needs to be restarted by Mark Overmars.
I also can’t wait, unfortunally, midnight in britain is around 1or 2 o’clock, so it will be saturday morning around 8 o’clock that i’ll know the final?? release date.
can’t wait for GM7 & the website , but better unbuggy then with lots of bugs; better wait a while then non-working site…
Greetz
Wim
February 23rd, 2007 at 10:12 am
Chronic - never fear. I live my life constantly traveling. Time zones are a close friend of mind. I always consider them.
February 23rd, 2007 at 11:47 am
since the forums are down shouldnt that mean the new forums and web will be up and running soon
February 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 am
@Death-Droid: No. There’s just a technical error on the forums at the moment.
February 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Well, today is 23rd! Can’t wait!
February 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pm
You arent the only one who can’t wait >_
February 23rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Well get the date out to you by evening UK time TODAY ….Mark has a server problem, so there’s nothing sinister about the GM Forum being down !!!
Sandy
February 23rd, 2007 at 01:22 pm
ok
February 23rd, 2007 at 01:34 pm
Good to know that. The message on the forum says the same. Mark will need to restart the server.
Can`t wait till the release of GM7!
February 23rd, 2007 at 02:51 pm
“Well get the date out to you by evening UK time TODAY ….Mark has a server problem, so there’s nothing sinister about the GM Forum being down !!!
Sandy ”
http://gmnews.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/rip-gmc/
let me guess….
march 1 :p
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:00 pm
Whatever is keeping GM7 from being pushed better be a good thing… which I bet it will. Usually, patience brings better things. Unless it’s Vista. XP and Mac OS X dominate all the way!
Anyway, good luck with this project… I’ve been using GM ever since 5.0 and can’t wait to see the next generation. Peace out.
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:15 pm
Hmm…the GMC gets wiped out on the same day as the announcement of when YoYo’s site and GM7 are released? Coincidence? I highly doubt it. Either a) the database was wiped by a YoYo Games employee, or b) the database was INTENTIONALLY corrupted beyond repair by a YoYo Games employee. I believe that one of my fellow co-workers may have done it. Ah well. I’m sure that Mark Overmars will believe the story we have fixed up.
-sandy
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:15 pm
quote from my e-mail
“Hi there,
Game Maker 7 is currently due for release on 1st March 2007 at which time the new website www.yoyogames.com will go live.
Please feel free to check our Games Log (or Glog) at www.playsnack.com for any further announcements/updates or feel free to email any more questions you may have.
“
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:37 pm
I love it how people think that if it’s written on a web page, it must be true.
PythonPoole has been jumping to conclusions too fast, but admittedly Chronic helped him a bit. Someone is having a lot of fun behind a keyboard right now.
The forum’s MySQL server is having issues, but that CERTAINLY doesn’t mean that everything is lost… Probably. :p
February 23rd, 2007 at 03:57 pm
Chronic thanks for pwning me with your lies. I believed the GMC had died for a bit there. XP
February 23rd, 2007 at 04:18 pm
Sorry if i made anyone overly panic with my little prank on pythonpoole, but i admit, it was kinda fun.
February 23rd, 2007 at 04:25 pm
Heh… sounds like our little reporter needs to retract his news. :O
February 23rd, 2007 at 04:48 pm
There are still issues with the database. IPB is working on it. And remember, even if there is something serious, there are these things called backups. (Although of course you can never completely rely on them.)
Mark
February 23rd, 2007 at 05:49 pm
Don’t worry, it wasn’t a big crush seeing as how Yoyo Games will be taking over soon anyway. It would be a shame if all the content was lost though I admit. It was funny how you pulled the prank over. =) Keeps things around here interesting.
February 23rd, 2007 at 06:42 pm
The forum is back up and running. I hope everything is repaired correctly.
Mark
February 25th, 2007 at 08:59 am
Mark, I found a group of people planning to hack the hell out of YoYo games
see hers proof
http://forums.YoYoGamessux.com/index.php
Just a word of warning
February 26th, 2007 at 05:21 am
I have a good idea for Mark and Sandy. Please bare with me.
DO NOT release Game Maker 7, let’s put an end to all this torture. Instead you guys work on Game Maker 8.0 and skip version 7. This way you can make GM even better and a worthwhile upgrade this will give you time to remove all the limitation and slowness that plagues GM6 and 7. I have an Athlon 64 X2 4800 and it is fairly easy to put my PC to crawl, it doesn’t take much, it’s pathetic - a few particles and effects on the same screen and slow city - I have a GeForce 7900GT card, and it is pathetic to see that the simplest of things in GM slows my bloody PC to a crawl when I’m playing Half Life 2 all maxed out and it’s running smooth as silk.
Back to the drawing board guys, GM is junk IMO.
Why is everyone so excited about GM7, it has the same limitations as GM6.1
February 26th, 2007 at 05:26 am
Oh and one more thing, it’s funny but GM5 is much MUCH better than GM6 and 7, better performance and yes it is compatible with VISTA - it uses a software engine and seems to be better optimised - I can’t believe we’ve waited YEARS to get something that slows down your PC so much and GOBBLES DOWN on resources.
Don’t think that only kids here complain, i’m in my 30s and I have spent thousands of dollars to upgrade my PC to the latest only to find out that your software is bloody slow and can’t do anything with it short of a crappy game with limited functions.
I feel I wasted $20 on your software and $20 on your book, you hardly learn anything from the book that focuses more on preset games than actually a full roundup of GM’s functions and commands.
You are not doing anybody a service by not charging for GM7, it does nto have anything worthy in it to warrant paying for it again IMO.
February 27th, 2007 at 01:44 am
C.Portal, if your 30+ years old and are interested in something like GM why don’t you just use something like c++ instead of complaining about it? Its much faster and in 30 years you should have been able to find to time to learn it.
February 27th, 2007 at 03:40 pm
Strange that, as I used to get very decent speeds from GM6.1 on a 750mhz PC with a 32mb ATI Rage video card and 256mb RAM, only needing to upgrade when that PC finally came to the end of it’s life (in an unrelated accident) and it ran smoother and faster than GM5. I have a much better PC now, though not an expensive powerful machine by any means (only needed a boost for productivity reasons when working on graphical content for freelance projects and wanted MAME to run a bit faster), and most games made in any version of GM run absolutely fine here. I can’t speak for any of the 3D stuff, cept for Hovertank 3D, as generally I’m not into 3D games on PC preferring to use my consoles for those kinds of games (HT3D runs perfectly by the way). The only time I’ve seen some bad slow down has usually been due to an odd sound issue (for example when testing out an early WIP engine of Darthlupi’s the game ran unbearably slow on my machine but full speed on supposedly less powerful hardware, I found out that clicking all the sounds preload setting off fixed it and gave me the fullspeed too) or some really lousy coding and resource management or when using GM for something it was never primarily intended for.
As for game quality, I’ve been more and more impressed with GM produced games over the last few years, since I have absolutely no interest anymore in commercial PC gaming I tend to use my PC for emulation and indie games. Most of the indie games I do play